https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/kiss_up_kick_down.
i’ll go first.. in a previous congregation we had a pioneer couple that have since gone on to be gilead graduates and are now either in circuit work or translation.
they checked all the boxes off the societies list so they were exemplary.
If you have to sue a "brother" to make him honor a signed contract, it is HE who is "bringing reproach," not the victim who needs to be made whole.
A JW may well be forced to resort to "worldly courts" for justice if the congregation won't help. That very refusal to hold members accountable also "brings reproach."
the last 2 1/2 years have been extremely stressful.
while the rest of the world was dealing with covid, i was also dealing with cancer.
in fact it seems none of my doctors knew about it.
So sorry you had to go through all that, but I'm very glad you are doing better and are still here to keep us on our toes. Best of luck to you and yours!
there's a new documentary series on netflix regarding the flds.
fundamentalist latter day saints.
anyone watch it yet?
I watched it and noted several similarities between the FLDS and the WT. The most disturbing was the insistence that the organization be obeyed even if the instructions don’t make sense or fit in with what the person feels to be right and just.
a pimo elder at bethel has come forward with a special message posted on reddit.. https://www.reddit.com/gallery/v9mgao.
the dated pictures attached are "proof conclusive" that this is for real.
no outside guests are allowed inside bethel at this time.
The original post has a distinct “Six Screens” flavor about it. While I don’t doubt that the substance has the ring of at least a kernel of truth, it’s a bit strident and bombastic for my taste. Hair on fire, if you will.
I will say it was entertaining, but as others have pointed out, it’s not really proof of anything. No smoking gun here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haxrybhjbhk.
handled very well indeed!.
Excellent find, Terry! Thank you so much for sharing this. And you are right, it was handled very well indeed.
massive new document written by wt, 837 pages, meant for arguments vs officials and media to defend the disfellowshipping arrangement.
found in the casefile in norway.
meant to be secret.. .
Thanks, Atlantis! This is truly a great find! At least we know what they're telling the authorities, so any discrepancies can be pointed out to prove they're sugar-coating it. For example, the boloney about normal family relations remaining. That only applies to those living in the household, and even then, relations are indeed strained.
I wonder if this manual includes the recent instructions to the sheeple about not looking for loopholes or excuses to maintain contact with disassociated or disfellowshipped ones, "for example, by email or text."
The Borg is well-known to misrepresent and twist the facts to fit whatever narrative they're pushing at the moment. Sheesh! I hope this blatant attempt to justify and whitewash this cruel practice backfires on them.
Again, thank you for sharing this important document with us.
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s-60-e. https://we.tl/t-xc7ornkzlj.
atlantis!.
Thanks, Atlantis! We can always count on you to keep us updated and informed. Hope all is well with you and yours. Say hi to Petra for us!
in the 80s there was an bethel elder in the mexico branch, he was graduated along with his wife ruth becerril from gilead school.
he was in charge of meps and the whole computer department... he then started had sex with a 14 year girl in his congregation in the city of texcoco mexico.... he was then df and kicked of bethel but his wife stayed.
he then moved to usa took the girl with him and married her and a couple of years later was re appointed an elder again.. i saw a news article that an elder ex bethelite computer consultant from concord ca with the same name was charged on 1999 by the fbi for having sex with a minor in texas.. both from the same city elders jw and computer consultants.... i wonder what happened with his case..
Well, ya know, the Bible says if you get caught raping an unengaged girl, you can get out of it by marrying your victim and paying a fine to her father. No mention of whether she has to consent or even any restrictions on what age she has to be for this get-out-of-stoning card to apply. The only real punishment is the perp could never divorce his "bride."
So this guy didn't really do anything wrong because, you know, Bible principles. Sheesh!
Now that this has come up, it reminds me of something the Borg once put out about not being hasty to accuse someone of child abuse. The gist of it was to say the elders need to consider the relative ages of the parties and the circumstances. It includes an admission that even some who are prominent in the Borg have been accused of such things, but it wasn't really that bad because, "he may have even married the girl." I wonder if this particular case was what the blurb was referring to. Hmmm...
If I can find that exact letter dealing with this, I will post a link if at all possible. Anybody know which one I'm talking about?
do you feel a draft?
(jw’s did-in the 1960s)i thought you might find it interesting to review exactly what the u.s. government thought, studied, and wrote about people of conscience during the vietnam war.what follows comes from official records…more than half of the 27 million men eligible for the draft during the vietnam war were deferred, exempted, or disqualified.
(cortright, david (2008).
Thanks for posting this, Terry. I had no idea such a study had ever been conducted.
I can verify what you said about being counseled ordered not to reveal what you had been instructed about accepting alternative service. You couldn't agree ahead of time on anything. It was considered "making a deal" with the military. You were only allowed to comply with whatever sentence you got. I know this for a fact. My dad was a long-time "servant," now called "elder," and I heard him telling the same thing to my draft-age cousin who was facing the same thing you did. He went to prison, too, but I'm not sure exactly how long he was in.
About the same time, another young JW I knew was actually sentenced to do hospital work. When his term was up, the hospital immediately hired him and he had a long and successful career with them. Talk about unequal treatment and outcomes.
my mother has designated my sister as her ‘designated health care representative.’ my sister has sworn to my mother that, if my mother needs blood, my sister will not refuse it.
there are no anticipated (key word) needs for blood at this time.
my mother is in her early 80s.. my mother has never been a jw but is very familiar with all aspects of jwdom and understands the risk of my sister not allowing blood if my mother needed it.
Just in case anyone was wondering, my adult son was never baptized and is decidedly a non-JW. His mother is a devout PIMI JW, but trusts her son completely in all matters. She knows he loves her and can be counted on to always act in her best interest. She loves him very much, but has made it clear that J-Dawg and orders from his minions come first.
